Gotta get this library organized. https://www.nsl.org.au/columns/mornington-peninsula-shire-council-removes-prayers/, Councillor Anthony Marsh is "hopeful" of success in his motion, to be moved this evening, to remove exclusionary Christian prayers from Mornington Peninsula #Council meeting procedures. Through the ages, of course, men have had little trouble getting their pleasure from sex. I think that's the most satisfying headline I've read all year. If only the Catholic church had some kind of parent company, or even a city-state, that had huge coffers they could draw on. Interesting that the Catholic Church is ok with the way it presents itself to those outdside the Church. What Exactly Is Excommunication? Now, it's happenned to other computer factions, that they become Christians again. Other than sending the emissary to ask for a ceasefire, you can assassinate the Pope AFTER you get excommunicated. Mere thought is not enough. 3. Desecrating a consecrated host isn't as bad as assaulting a pope, but it's unlikely that you'd find a way to do this. If you do not wish to contribute to the power of the Roman Catholic church, you may want to get yourself excommunicated. You will need to write a letter to your current parish. Isn't killing people in the name of God a pretty good definition of insanity? You would think by now it would hang its collective head in shame and give all of the abused the amount they deserve. Private insurer CCI has posted nearly a $250 million loss after spending more than $58 million paying out the victims of sexual abuse last year. Any formal discipline is done in the hope that the person can regain, or retain membership, and return to full fellowship. Many people, hoping for some kind of heresy cachet, have inquired about getting excommunciated, even though they are not currently memebers of a church. Once deprived of Church membership, it is interesting to note how vitally important rebaptism becomes. Austin Cline, a former regional director for the Council for Secular Humanism, writes and lectures extensively about atheism and agnosticism. THEY HAVE A DUTY to other Roman Catholics. You may also present this to your birth parish, if this is convenient. Besides, even if you manage to pull it off, you'd get arrested for it. Fill out the handy form below and send it in to your local priest. Your local priest can't help you; instead, you must write a letter to your bishop. The Roman Catholic church is misogynistic. Your excommunication can be lifted by going to Confession to the Bishop of your Diocese or to a priest who has received the authority to lift excommunications that can only be lifted by a Bishop. To many there is a great deal of confusion surrounding the word and the issues it represents. Otherwise, there is canon 1364, Apostasy, heresy, or schism. Love need not be a command nor faith a dictum. laugh at sacred things. I don’t accept the church’s position on birth control, or on abortion, I don’t believe in the prayers, the miracles or the theology, and I haven’t been to church in ages except for weddings and funerals. 1. A Supreme Court judge has questioned whether Fred Nile's Christian Democratic Party should be wound up as a legal dispute within the party continued. Excommunication is a medicinal penalty of the Church. State that you do not consider yourself a Catholic anymore and want your name taken off the official rolls of Catholics. The Roman Catholic church apparently does not excommunicate its members easily. This excommunication was lifted on 28 January 1077 after Henry's public show of penitence known as the Road to Canossa. Second, notable canon lawyers have said that, under canon law, excommunication is not an appropriate response to a politician who supports or votes for legislation advancing abortion. looks like we will be back to the High Court which has proven to be catholic friendly. In fact, at one point I thought I'd become a priest, but I'd have made an appalling priest anyway... At 16, I asked all these monks some serious questions and they didn't come up with the answers, and I just decided I didn't believe in God. That is, if millions of devoted Catholics don't kill you first. The Website of Saint George Greek Orthodox Church It may pay to mention any active work you have done on behalf of making access to abortion safe and legal, and any work you have done help women procure abortions. The Pope has just issued a statement that the Church will never ordain women as priests. It should include the necessary information to meet all of the criteria for deserving to be excommunicated. previous next. They are incredibly hypocritical with their judgementalness, and I believe that they are so close minded and it's beginning to offend me, to the point that they have literally began to act stupid. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us.”, And more interesting, maybe even good news: ... See MoreSee Less, Fred Nile locked out of party headquarters as internal fight heats up. Except the greedy church. Sex as an expression of love and sexual activity for simple pleasure are prohibited or subordinated to the production of little Catholics. I do not believe that any god, supernatural realm or afterlife exists, and will not act as if they did. I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose. Maybe they could sell off some of their land holdings, those seminaries are a waste of space and their churches should be given over to public housing. Sadly though all the money in the world will not compensate the abused for their ruined lives! The church has crippled international development, especially in the neediest countries, by refusing to allow any form of birth control to be discussed. But they are not a business 🙄 How they can have their own insurance company etc is beyond me. There'll be two giant thermometers in the churches now. Excommunicated characters who are imprisoned can also be executed without penalty. By committing a particularly grave sin and … Continued Urban II excommunicated Henry in 1088. Now, I'm willing to venture that excommunications are more rare - too many people to excommunicate. MORE: https://www.nsl.org.au/columns/abigail-boyd-mlc-on-removing-nsw-parliamentary-prayers/, Mornington Peninsula Council has voted 6-5 to remove the exclusionary Christian prayer from their meetings and replace it with a #secular pledge -- a big step towards truly representing the diversity in their community. You may also present this to your birth parish, if this is convenient. In terms of marriage, communion, death and so on, you should be treated as a non-Catholic. How do I get excommunicated from the LDS (mormon) Church? I have. Stop insuring them and force their GOD to PAY up by selling asetts. Can the internal fighting include swords, pikes and morning stars? But for those of us who can't readily accept the God formula, the big answers don't remain stone-written. Our previous post on this: https://www.nsl.org.au/columns/is-labor-turning-its-back-on-secularism/ You must be PERSISTENT. This appears to be the attitude of Catholic officials themselves and why they don't make excommunication easy. The last leader to be excommunicated was George P. Lee, the first Native American to become a general authority with the church. We are here to drink beer. what else dost thou wish? Although they may talk about ‘cherishing’ or ‘adoring’ womanhood, they mean a master’s appreciation of an obedient and docile servant. How not to be a safe haven: ... See MoreSee Less, Church’s appeal loss paves way for abuse survivors to sue. Excommunication: Membership is revoked, so the person is no longer a member. Well that’s peculiar? I just got excommunicated by the Pope for attacking a fellow Catholic faction after a warning. We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. There is one more basis for excommunication: So if one person does something that leads to automatic excommunication, any accomplices that were necessary to the act and who can have the penalty imposed upon them can also be excommunicated. Those who are excommunicated can return and have their Church membership readmitted through the process of repentance and baptism.. (3) When the Pope gives you the stop fighting order, there are only two ways to get around that. In all but the most extreme cases, excommunication is done privately between the individual and just a handful of local leaders. 1 It is the most serious penalty the Church can inflict, and is used only in the most severe cases. One to show how much has been raised for a new roof and the other for the FFF, the Father's Fiddling Fund. I mean they are just a charity right? However, like every religion, the Catholic church, when it is in a minority position, is all in favor of tolerance and democracy. Catholic Church's insurance company in financial trouble over abuse payouts. For a moment I thought he died, but then I remember we're not in that sort of a year. Since excommunication is the forfeiture of the spiritual privileges of ecclesiastical society, all those, but those only, can be excommunicated who, by any right whatsoever, belong to this society. It's an incredible con job when you think about it, to believe something now in exchange for something after death. Please do this as soon as possible. The truly repentant excommunicated person will strive diligently to … The church will also refuse to marry couples if the union cannot be fertile, which has caused untold anguish to couples wherein one partner was handicapped or otherwise infertile. If you were ever baptised a Roman Catholic, and have not been excommunicated, you are still being counted. #auspol The Roman Catholic Church is antidemocratic, authoritarian and intolerant. Please send me confirmation of this action. Zealous duellers can target excommunicated characters. Excommunication used to happen for many reasons, some of them rather frivolous. To be readmitted into the Catholic Church, you must have your excommunication lifted prior to going to Confession because you cannot validly receive any Sacraments while you are excommunicated. Such an action on the church’s part might have saved millions of lives. It's 2020. It should include the necessary information to meet all of the criteria for deserving to be excommunicated. :no: Also, I … Any form of sexual behavior that doesn’t raise the birth rate is forbidden. In fact, it’s worse than that, the proper description of its position is ‘pro-natalist’. If you want to be excommunicated, you have to go through official channels. Excommunication isn't worth assaulting the pope, so this is out. In any case one would hardly choose an abortion solely for the sake of excommunication. As in: I am firm, you are contumacious, he is pig-headed. This word may cause shock and fear to some who hear it. I do not believe that any person is more sanctified than any other, or that any human being should be elevated above another in any way, due to ancestry, race, gender, occupation, belief or for any other reason and will not feign that I do. The take-away from all of this is that it is very difficult to get excommunicated from the Catholic Church. You should be able to cite memberships in freethought and humanist groups. For John this was a serious blow to his ability to rule the country as it absolved the King's subjects from their oaths of allegiance, gave the Barons reason to revolt and allowed the King of France to invade England to remove John from power. Aside from denying the Catholic Church any more power than it deserves, there are a number of good reasons why a former Catholic should formally renounce their ties that organization. Remember: each person who does this makes it easier for the next person. Related Content Close Panel. The process of excommunication is not meant for someone who admits his sin and is repentant but continues to struggle to break free of it. All those poor parishioners giving their hard earned to pay for the kiddi fiddlers and their lawyers. (Although priestly pedophilia was very lightly punished, if at all, until recently.) Even more importantly, by never giving up a member, the church is able to claim millions as members, who do not accept its doctrines, who never attend, who never contribute money or time and who are, in fact, opposed to what it stands for. Politicians may feel that they have to adopt more Catholic policies to appeal to Catholic voters, but if the numbers of Catholics are reduced then politicians may feel freer to take positions consistent with secular values. The church has never objected to any punishments, up to and including death, which a society has wished to impose on homosexuals, quite the opposite. Please remove my name from the records of the church, and record that I am no longer a Roman Catholic. Even corporations with their reward systems don't try to make it posthumous. I don’t want to be counted as a Catholic. Religion is a by-product of fear. Fine, you say, but I still want to get excommunicated. Homosexuality is completely prohibited and is condemned with unusually intense loathing and disgust. As of 1983 there are nine canons under which excommunication can take place. Consequently, excommunicatio… Maybe the pope will have to start running guided tours around Catholic HQ in Rome. This greatly enhances its power. No, you can’t. Next to last is ‘procuring of abortion’. We must not privilege expression of belief such that it undermines the fundamental rights, freedoms & safety of others. A few were even excommunicated for speaking out against a corrupt Pope. Offering gifts to the papal states may help, doing some pope assigned missions (if you still get them when excommunicated) will also help you get out of excommunication. The main possibilities I can see are a change of ruler and a change of pope (this is apparently how it works in CK2), possibly wait for 20 to 30 years, and possibly a change of the Papal State's and/or the Pope's opinion of the target and/or the country that requested/ordered the excommunication. As well as negative actions, like not attending church, not giving them any money, time or thought for years. We are here to kill war. What are grounds for excommunication? I have recently become an Atheist due to the close mindedness and outright retardation of the LDS (mormon) church. In Roman Catholic canon law, excommunication is a censure and thus a “medicinal penalty” intended to invite the person to change behavior or attitude that incurred … Excommunication will end: upon using the (very expensive) "Make Declaration of Repentance" decision and agreeing to the Pope's demands; upon using the "Lift Excommunication" interaction for another character Just take it from them. Our ignorance is God; what we know is science. OK, let me get out my — whoops, Buckland’s Complete Book of Witchcraft. Your mental state is something that no one knows except you. What Does it Mean to Say "I Believe" Something Is True? This may only get things started. The church is patronizing to atheists. The church is much more comfortable with authoritarian right-wing governments and has historically allied itself with them. Tell him of your apostasy; you must describe both an intention of apostasy and an outward manifestation. My mother was Southern Irish, and I was brought up as a devout Catholic. Should "Under god" Be in the Pledge of Allegiance, An Atheist's View of the Christian Right's Agenda and Beliefs, How to Counter Gideon Bibles in Hotels and Schools. unsettle the faith of anyone you can, foster reason, critical thinking and self-esteem in childrenpromote the taxation of churches, promote feminism and access to abortion and contraception, fight creationism and coercive religion in public life, eliminate blasphemy from the criminal code, avoid charities that waste money on religious indoctrination, study real biblical criticism and actual ancient history. Insurance shouldn't even be covering it. You can't just fill out an online form and get a certificate of excommunication, after all. How do I get the pope to lift my excommunication? The Roman Catholics and the Mormons were the primary sources of the funds and lobbying which helped defeat the Equal Rights Amendment in the United States. The word excommunication, from the Orthodox Christian perspective, means to be excluded from communion. The burden of this policy falls on women, whose bodies and health are destroyed by endless childbearing. In your letter, make them aware of this by telling them the parish where you were baptised and the date. The Roman Catholic church is homophobic. I cannot be angry at God, in whom I do not believe. And I’m sure they will somehow end up getting government assistance to help with the payouts. However, their thinking is based on irrational belief and is motivated by fear, and they assume that you are the same. Excommunication. How would you feel if at the start of every working day, your employer made everyone stand for a recital of the Lord’s Prayer? I hereby renounce all the trappings of religion. They believe that you will react as they do to the fear of death, and wish to deny reality and embrace an illusion. They have, however, officially established these criteria for judging all cases of excommunication: You must ACT. Submission to the Australian Bureau of Statistics – Review of 2021 Census Topics, Submission to the Queensland Law Reform Commission Review of Termination of Pregnancy Laws, Non-believers now Australia's largest religious group: Time to listen to what we want, Religious Freedom Review Panel Submission. It is your task to convince the church that you, as an atheistic secular humanist, (or whatever) are in the same ‘non-Catholic’ category as a Muslim or Buddhist. Basically, the grounds for excommunication is this: You have committed a grave offense that caused you to be spiritually separated from the Church and the community of the faithful. Apostasy doesn't count if you didn't intend it or if it didn't amount to anything. Absolutely evil and abhorrent organisation hiding under the guise of being good. Bascially, do something against the church you wish to get excommunicated from. Insurance company should call it an act of god and refuse to pay. Three good reasons. That leaves one option: You need to still be some sort of religious theist to be a heretic or schismatic, so if you are a secular atheist your only option is apostasy. write to a Bangladeshi embassy supporting Taslima Nasrin and to the EU supporting Ayaan Hirsi Ali. If at first you don’t succeed…Cite long commitment, and keep trying and keep writing. Historically, the church saw Mussolini and Hitler as bulwarks against atheistic communism and actively supported the fascist Spanish dictator Franco against the democratic republic. In most cases, an excommunication proceeding begins when someone sins and talks to their bishop about their mistake to try and reconcile their mistake with God. So prayer isn’t working? Old Fred is a corrupt ol bugger. So far, most cases have gone smoothly. Excommunication can either be imposed by the competent authority (usually a bishop) through a canonical process. Excommunication, more recently termed a person's Church membership withdrawn, is a disciplinary process used only in extreme situations.It includes removal of a member’s name from the records of the Church. Explain that you know this means excommunication—ignorance of the penalty would get you off. Read books by Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, Carl Sagan, Bertrand Russell, Taslima Nasrin, Daniel Dennett, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and many, many more. The Catholic Church encourages harmful policies and attitudes in society which need to be countered as forcefully as possible. History of American Religion:1600 to 2017. I mean, if you're going to have a fight, you make as well make it bloody and to the death, right? How does a player end excommunication of himself and/or his country (in EU4) ? #auspol #nswpol #SecularGovernment #EndReligiousPrivilege The biggest landholder in the world has to sell a few properties. Obviously. More relevant is latae sententiae excommunication, or automatic excommunication, which can occur for the following reasons according to canon law: These can only be committed by a priest or bishop, so you can't use them. Politicians are sometimes threatened if they don't uphold public policies based on Catholic doctrine, but those would carry much less weight if Catholic leaders have fewer members to cite. State in your letter that you are aware of this, that you know what the consequences are and that this is what you wish to happen. They can easily recognize another superstition, but, being unfamiliar with rationality, they have difficulty accepting the decision to renounce all mumbo jumbo. https://www.nsl.org.au/columns/decision-day-for-mornington-peninsula-council-prayers/, Shoalhaven Councillor Kaye Gartner says local government prayers are a test of the real value we place on #ReligiousFreedom. We adjust to new conditions and discoveries. The church has billions in assets. This involves automatic excommunication, if you can convince the church that it applies to you. How to get excommunicated from the catholic church Does the Catholic Church still excommunicate? #springst #auspol #SecularGovernment #EndReligiousPrivilege Your local priest can't help you; instead, you must write a letter to your bishop. For instance, if you are a Mormon, you can simply send a clearly worded letter to your local Mormon bishop asking to have your name erased from the membership records of the church, and it shall be done. Do not waver or indicate any hesitation. Obviously, if you are now a Muslim, a Mormon or a Jehovah’s Witness, you are automatically no longer a Catholic. I reject as ridiculous the idea of an atoning sacrifice and spurn its presumed benefits. You should be able to cite actions you have taken, such as, letters written, demonstrations attended, meetings attended, magazine subscriptions, etc. Also, think of the publicity that there would be in only 5 or 10% of the world’s billion or so Catholics decided to leave the church permanently, by way of requesting excommunication. His second excommunication by Gregory was on 7 March 1080, and the third was in 1084 or 1085. I do not believe that any book, building, place, person, thing or action is holy and will not pretend that they are. They have a duty to inform other Roman Catholics about this change in you so that they do not mishandle their dealings with you. GOOD! You have left the Church on your own accord by committing the offense. The church funds and works for anti-woman legislation around the world. Great result, now all the victims need is to get past the Chinese walls that Pell created between the abusers and the churches assets. The Church’s criteria for meriting excommunication. Excommunication for this is supposed to be automatic, but it only applies to the doctor and the woman involved. This must take place over a long period of time. I am my own god. Through baptism, a person is incorporated into the body of the Church through which there is a “communication” of spiritual goods. the Church is lobbying against civil rights legislation for homosexuals, and is attempting to influence its congregations to deny homosexuals equal human rights with other citizens. Powered by batteries. Until then, your name is used to indirectly contribute to the stature and power of the Catholic Church because they can report you as a member, thus boosting their perceived popularity among American religions. I am told the church does not seek out such cases. Even within marriage the loving exchange of pleasure is a sin. How dare they cry poor! An excommunicated Catholic who committed a delict that is reserved to the Holy See, and who now expresses contrition for his crime and wants to have his sanction lifted, can go to confession to any confessor, and the priest can remit the penalty right there in the confessional, on the spot—but once again, this is provided that the penitent agrees to petition Rome to have the sanction lifted. They say that the reason for this is to leave the way open for reconciliation. Now, I don't want the English to get an excuse for attacking me, so how can I be unexcommunicated? For much of human history, it may have been a necessary evil, but why was it more evil than necessary? See Membership Councils. How do I get excommunicated? Sue them out of existence! In my understanding there are three categories that excommunication falls under: crime, sin, or apostasy. Baptism confers initial jurisdiction, delinquency refers to having committed a wrong, and contumacious indicates the person's willfull persistence in such conduct. If they fail to do this, they are not dealing fairly with the Catholics in their charge. First, excommunication should not be used as a weapon. Boo hoo. However, when it is in control, as in Ireland or Poland, it shows its true colors. You are the only expert on your own non-religious status. Although unofficial, this was the We concentrate on the Roman Catholic Church because it is one of the worst for inflating its numbers by counting everyone who was ever baptised without taking into account current attendance, and because leaving membership in many fundamentalist and cultish Christian groups is fairly easy. I condemn as monstrous the idea of original sin, and renounce any baptism done on my behalf to wash it away. Vatican would have pay it themselves and justifiably so. I'm embarrassed this party even exists. You must be CONTUMACIOUS. We are pliable. I renounce all blessings, benefits, graces, sanctifications, and advantages supposedly conferred on me by any religion or by any religious act done by me or on my behalf in the past, present or future. (The ceasefire order won't cancel when the Pope dies, but the excommunication … But so few people actually understand this! Watch @AbigailBoydMLC argue that this practice has no place in our houses of parliament! You have to BE A ROMAN CATHOLIC. There are few more definitive and public steps you can take on behalf of the rejection of religion. It is possible to be excommunicated in a specific, official pronouncement, but this is rarely done. MORE: https://www.nsl.org.au/columns/prayers-issue-a-test-for-real-value-of-religious-freedom/, Reminder: submissions on Labor's draft policy platform are due 30th Nov. Historically, no one can be subject to ecclesiastical censure unless they be baptized, delinquent, and contumacious. #springst #auspol #SecularGovernment Thus, by contributing a small amount to an organization, like Planned Parenthood, or Global Population Concern, or helping out at any women’s medical clinic which offers contraceptive and abortion services, you can easily make yourself eligible for excommunication. Subscribe to your local atheist/rationalist/freethinker/humanist organisation, Article thanks to:International Atheistic Secular Humanist Conspiracy [Canada Division]Brought to you by Greg Erwin, Former Vice President, Humanist Association of Canadawith inclusions from Lee HolmesWeb EditorAtheist Foundation of Australia Inc. More information and a successful outcome HERE. Excommunication is a sanction that deprives a Catholic of all participation in the common blessings of the society of the Church. Hast thou reason? Ireland and other Catholic countries have done the church’s dirty work by blocking international meetings unless all countries submit to Catholic doctrine in matters of birth control. The church is … They should be calling it an Act of God like they do to hard working folk when weather destroys their property. This is what I hope will eventually happen. If we are lucky this could be the end of the Catholic Church, I mean its not like they have millions upon millions of dollars worth of property and goods scattered all over the world. Process of Excommunication If you want to be excommunicated, you have to go through official channels. What are you afraid of? I am no longer a Roman Catholic. The Church’s criteria for meriting excommunication. Excommunication is the church’s response to one who says, “Yes, I’m a Christian, and, no, I will not turn from this sin.” 4. Using the citations in this article seems to impress them with the idea that you are serious, you know what you are talking about, and that this is not a “spur or the moment” whim. Another is ‘violation of sacred species’, normally called desecrating a consecrated host. (But remember, excommunication offers a way to go back!) Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd. Ah, here we are, the Codex Juris Canonici. Even excommunication, serious as it is, can have the effect of restoring the proper perspective of the offender. If you don't hear back after a little bit, send the letter again—but this time registered mail with a note that this is your second attempt. And more interesting, maybe even good news: Atheist Foundation of Australia Retweeted. Suggestions for getting in the mood (optional), Remember: BLASPHEMY IS A VICTIMLESS CRIME. Humans need to grow up and lose their imaginary friends. Time to let go of that archaic baloney. 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